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skydiverlv 10-09-2013 11:00 AM

Van personally built his own RV-12 as EAB.

Dvalcik 10-09-2013 11:13 AM

I built mine as an EAB, I still have a Rotax, but different avionics and a few other things. She had a 40 hour phase1 not the 5 hours of the E-LSA. I fly it as a light sport, even though it is an EAB, it meets the requirments for a light sport pilot. Looks like a 12, flys like a 12, with major difference when I sell it the the buyer will have a EAB and will have to follow those regulations associated with it verses a E-LSA

Keep in mind 95+% of RV's are EABs :)

Just my thoughts

DanBaier 10-09-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterboy2110 (Post 814888)
Has anyone actually registered the 12 as a EAB? My understanding is that you could never achieve the 51% rule by simply pulling rivets in pre-formed / pre punched aluminum.

The RV-12 is on the approved kit list for 51% EAB. It can be built either EAB or ELSA.

Dan

RFSchaller 10-09-2013 12:02 PM

If memory serves me correctly FAA formally approved the RV-12 kit as complying with the 51% rule. Maybe Scott can confirm that.

Rich

rvbuilder2002 10-09-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanBaier (Post 814908)
The RV-12 is on the approved kit list for 51% EAB. It can be built either EAB or ELSA.

Dan

Quote:

Originally Posted by RFSchaller (Post 814915)
If memory serves me correctly FAA formally approved the RV-12 kit as complying with the 51% rule. Maybe Scott can confirm that.

Rich

Dan beat me to it.

Dvalcik 10-09-2013 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RFSchaller (Post 814915)
If memory serves me correctly FAA formally approved the RV-12 kit as complying with the 51% rule. Maybe Scott can confirm that.

Rich

There are about 6 - 10 EAB's (RV12) certified by the faa and flying and mine is one of them.

rvbuilder2002 10-09-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvalcik (Post 814930)
There are about 6 - 10 EAB's (RV12) certified by the faa and flying and mine is one of them.

Which doesn't require a kit to be on the approved list (and at least some of them that are E-AB were completed before the kit got approval).

Being on the approved list just makes the whole process simpler because the DAR or inspector doesn't have to use the checklist document to verify that it complies. Being on the list means the FAA has already said it does.

bobnoffs 10-10-2013 06:20 AM

i think it is kind of ambiguous to say the elsa will hold its value better. it starts off with a $64000 price tag. i am quite sure i can make a panel to my liking with eis, gps and flight instruments for $4000. now, let me put in a $18000 fwf package instead of one for $28000 and we are comparing apples and oranges.
if i sell don't i have a market available that can't even afford your $64000 cost?

Mel 10-10-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RFSchaller (Post 803805)
I agree with Mel and Scott's interpretation of the regs, but DARs do stretch the rules. I used to have a Yak-52 and met another Yak owner who bought a "Yak in the box" and put it back together. He got his DAR to give him an EAB A/W certificate. Mine was experimental exhibition. I never figured out the guy got away with that one.

It's not our interpretation of the rules. These points are spelled out very clearly. A "Yak in the box" should be certificated as experimental exhibition, as is yours. If a DAR certificated one as EAB, the FAA would be very interested in knowing about it. DARs are not allowed to deviate from the rules in this manner.

Dave12 10-10-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bobnoffs (Post 815102)
i think it is kind of ambiguous to say the elsa will hold its value better. it starts off with a $64000 price tag. i am quite sure i can make a panel to my liking with eis, gps and flight instruments for $4000. now, let me put in a $18000 fwf package instead of one for $28000 and we are comparing apples and oranges.
if i sell don't i have a market available that can't even afford your $64000 cost?

Or you could make it very easy and buy this:

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=104770


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