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Kahuna 08-22-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rv7boy (Post 800261)
Mike, where is the link to the description and ordering information for the inertia activated shutoff switch? I don't see it on the above page or on the linked pages.

We used this one.
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...s.asp?RecID=87

Mike S 08-22-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyRV7 (Post 800268)
One question. Does 100LL ignite by hot metal?

Yes, if the metal is hot enough.

http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Ignition_of_Fuels

flyboy1963 08-22-2013 10:34 AM

fuel cell foam?
 
the Pegasus auto racing site also shows a yellow fuel cell foam that can be cut to any size and fit to fuel tanks.....albeit during construction for our tanks.

As I understand it dampens shock wave formation that causes tanks to explode, and slows leakage, and reduces combustible air/fuel vapour mixtures inside the tank. $54 for an 8x8x8" cube, E85 resistant.

fl-mike 08-22-2013 10:54 AM

Aim for water?
Uh-oh, here we go again....

AndyRV7 08-22-2013 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike S (Post 800273)

Interesting. Thanks.

skelrad 08-22-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboy1963 (Post 800282)
the Pegasus auto racing site also shows a yellow fuel cell foam that can be cut to any size and fit to fuel tanks.....albeit during construction for our tanks.

As I understand it dampens shock wave formation that causes tanks to explode, and slows leakage, and reduces combustible air/fuel vapour mixtures inside the tank. $54 for an 8x8x8" cube, E85 resistant.

The problem with this stuff is it breaks down over time. Pegasus recommends changing it every 3 years because of the fact that it'll start clogging pumps and filters.

CATPart 08-22-2013 12:33 PM

I have witnessed a decathalon that nosed over on landing with full tanks. The fuel simply leaked from the caps and vents and made a nice stream entering the cowl. There was no fire. Shutting off fuel would have had no effect in this situation. I know it is a high wing, but I think a similar outflow of fuel could happen in an RV sitting on its nose. Depending on how high the tail is, the fuel might reach a hot exhaust part. Just speculating, maybe somebody has seen an RV on its nose and can comment.

Steve Melton 08-22-2013 03:20 PM

auto ignition temp of avgas 824?F / 440?C
 
ConocoPhillips
001769 - Aviation Gasoline, 100 LL
Date of Issue: 23-May-2007
Vapor Pressure: 5.5-7.0 psia (Reid VP) @ 100?F
Vapor Density (air=1): >1
Boiling Point/Range: 75-338?F / 24-170?C
Melting/Freezing Point: <-72?F / <-58?C
Partition Coefficient (n-octanol/water) (Kow): No data
Specific Gravity: 0.68-0.74 @ 60?F (15.6?C)
Bulk Density: 5.83 lbs/gal
Percent Volatile: 100%
Evaporation Rate (nBuAc=1): >1
Flash Point: <-35?F / <-37?C
Test Method: (estimate)
LEL (vol % in air): 1.5
UEL (vol % in air): 7.6
Autoignition Temperature: 824?F / 440?C

Stability: Stable under normal ambient and anticipated storage and handling conditions of temperature and pressure. Extremely
flammable liquid and vapor. Vapor can cause flash fire.

hgerhardt 08-22-2013 08:55 PM

These inertia switches were used on all Ford vehicles with EFI throughout the 90's up to at least mid 2000's: http://www.sensata.com/download/resettable-crash.pdf I even installed one in my injected '66 GTO. Install it near your main solenoid/contactor in series with your existing main bus switch wiring.

Heinrich

erikpmort 08-22-2013 11:45 PM

Remember me I landed in the soccer field ? I hit that park sign going 60+mph and it sliced right into the fuel tank. Still waiting for the fuel tank to be repaired btw. But I was happy that no fire occurred. I did not get the fuel off before the landing admittedly.


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