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rvbuilder2002 07-27-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sjhurlbut (Post 792218)
This does not match my experience flying in Oshkosh. They want all aircraft at the same altitude before to initially get to Ripon. Very dangerous arriving there higher and then descending.

Actually, as already mentioned in this thread, the NOTAM specifically describes a procedure for flying the Ripon/Fisk arrival at a higher speed and altitude IF you are unable to fly at 90 kts.

John Clark 07-27-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flyeyes (Post 792201)
All my Baron time is in a B55, but as I recall 90 knots is at least 20 knots below the blueline, and even below Vmc and Vsse. It is around 1.2 Vso.

In a B55, 90 knots is above Vmc and is 1.3+ Vso. Yes, you are below "blue line" but you are not in a V1 cut condition. Losing an engine at 1000 AGL is much simpler than on takeoff at 50 feet. Besides in this example, I would prefer to lose some altitude while dealing with a failure and turn out of the conga line rather than climbing into the traffic.

John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
EAA Flight Advisor
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA

Walt 07-27-2013 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002 (Post 792236)
Actually, as already mentioned in this thread, the NOTAM specifically describes a procedure for flying the Ripon/Fisk arrival at a higher speed and altitude IF you are unable to fly at 90 kts.

Does that mean the pilot is unable or the aircraft :D

John Clark 07-27-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Walt (Post 792257)
Does that mean the pilot is unable or the aircraft :D

Sadly, in view of some of the "reasons" offered, it is the pilot. Walt for the win. :rolleyes:

John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
EAA Flight Advisor
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA

rvbuilder2002 07-27-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walt (Post 792257)
Does that mean the pilot is unable or the aircraft :D

Classic Walt... Classic

Ironflight 07-27-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dpansier (Post 792211)
I was watching the aircraft landing Oshkosh RW27 today, the controller would tell the higher and faster traffic (several twin Cessna) "join the downwind and descend to pattern altitude, follow the low wing ahead"

The thing about the amazing controllers at OSH is that they almost never lose their patience and just do what needs to be done to move traffic safely. When they are telling people to "descend to pattern altitude" on the downwind, they are really saying "you should have been down there already!"


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