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Yup, blue painters tape works just fine for operating within the ADIZ as you can see in the attached photo. You can even use green, yellow or any color that looks good on your airplane, as long as it contrasts from the background.
I sure wouldn’t risk it and I’ll tell you why. Friend had on his bucket list to take his 6A one time to the Bahamas. He asked me about it and I advised he wasn’t legal. So we decide to fly up to fort pierce for lunch and stop in at customs and ask if it would be ok for a one time trip with small n numbers. Customs guy was super nice, and agreed to a one time trip he wouldn’t violate.
Yea, like you can't just enter any registration in an ADS-B OUT signal.
Yeah what what keeps someone from taping a different N number on the plane. Either case is the sameYea, like you can't just enter any registration in an ADS-B OUT signal.
The interceptor still has to see the numbers when you get intercepted to confirm you are who you pretend to be. It's a bigger sky out there than your little portion of it.
Not surprised but also something I wouldn't worry too much about, unless someone can point to a reg that specifies a specific degree of stickyness. Which there would have to be otherwise all the planes with self-adhesive vinyl N numbers are illegal for border crossings
You can visually see the tape, you can't visually see the ADS-B signal. HUGE difference to the interceptor aircraft, confirming which aircraft was actually intercepted so appropriate action is taken. Been there, done that!
Sure you can, just look at the target on the screen
Unless you are in the fantasy world of Hollywood, and not in the real air defense world, NOBODY can confirm the tail number a suspect aircraft using ADS-B. You have to physically intercept it and get close enough to read the tail number. Hence the 12" size requirement.Sure you can, just look at the target on the screen
Very well said. Who knows, maybe you controlled me on one of the intercepts I did while flying for US Customs. You are another who can say: "been there, done that!".I worked the SE ADIZ for most of my career as an ATC. Having worked Customs and DOD intercepts, I've had: guys call themselves N123 while the Customs Kingair was scoping N456 on the fuselage, piggyback flights on legitimate flight plans (6'oclock formation flying), and trying to fly "under the RADAR", etc. The 12" numbers are for the interceptor drivers to more easily verify the "actual vs reported" callsign of the A/C. 9/11 boosted the level of "interest" on inbound A/C even more (200lbs of coke or weed was less destructive than 200lbs of HE). ADSB can be swapped (or hacked) or "it was working when we took off". The bad guys are quite creative, and there is no perfect system, but we do the best we can
you gotta' ask yourself, do you feel lucky today?
There is no ADIZ between the US and Mexico, just like there is no ADIZ between the US and Canada. No ADIZ, no 12" requirement.
Is that right? My sectional shows ‘contiguous ADIZ’ at the TX - Mexico border. (Not at Canadian border, though).
It looks like the contiguous US ADIZ is across the entire southern border with Mexico, at least as shown on the ForeFlight Sectionals.
Look closer. What you reference is in MEXICO (Mexico FIR) not the US. The US has no authority in Mexican airspace nor can we intercept aircraft in Mexican airspace to check their tail number. In U.S. airspace, where we have jurisdiction, it is specifically designated as "Defense Area" not ADIZ.
I'm certainly not an expert, but it does say "Contiguous US ADIZ" in addition to "Mexico FIR MMFR"
But where is the "ZONE"? Where does it begin and end that you have to comply with the regs while flying?I'm certainly not an expert, but it does say "Contiguous US ADIZ" in addition to "Mexico FIR MMFR"
Also this item from the FAA website specifically says there is no ADIZ between the US and Canada, but fails to mention the same for Mexico. It also mentions additional requirements for Defense VFR flight before penetrating the ADIZ.
"Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ)All aircraft entering U.S. domestic airspace from points outside must provide for identification prior to entry or exit. ADIZs have been established to assist in early identification of aircraft in the vicinity of international U.S. airspace boundaries (AIM Section 6, 5-6-1).Many aircraft inbound to the U.S. will cross an ADIZ. There is no ADIZ between the U.S. and Canada. According to FAR Part 99, if penetrating an ADIZ, all aircraft of U.S. or foreign registry must file, activate, and close a flight plan with the appropriate aeronautical facility. In addition to normal ADIZ position reports, and any other reports Air Traffic Control may require, a foreign civil aircraft must give a position report at least one hour before ADIZ penetration, if it is not more than two hours average cruising speed from the U.S.For Defense VFR (DVFR) flights, the estimated time of ADIZ penetration must be filed with the appropriate aeronautical facility at least 15 minutes before penetration, except for flights in the Alaskan ADIZ, in which case, report prior to penetration. Additionally, VFR pilots must receive and transmit a discrete transponder code."
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Also from this recent AOPA article about flying into Mexico:
Mexico
A step-by-step guide to planning a trip south of the border that covers procedures, permits, fees, and regulations.www.aopa.org
" • 12-inch registration marks are required for crossing the ADIZ into Mexico."
I'll let you figure that one out. But there is an ADIZ on the southern border.
No "Zone" is why this post makes perfect sense. One every few months or so, Law Enforcement Officer discretion. Multiple times a day, that is policy.
I believe you. That erroneous information was clarified years ago to all CBP airports of entry. FAR part 45.29(h) clearly state temporary numbers are acceptable and does not specify how to make temporary numbers. You can see an example in the attached photo taken in Puerto Rico during one of our many trips to and from the Caribbean.
