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WWII bomber escort paint schemes

BrickPilot

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One of my oft kicked-about paint scheme concepts is that of a WWII bomber escort. Specifically, I am looking for pictures or renditions of the fighters that may have accompanied the B-24 Liberator missions over Ploesti. My father was a bomber pilot on those missions and was shot down and captured as a P.O.W. in the last 7 months of the war. To honor him and his bretheren, I was thinking of painting my plane to match the escorts he may have flown with, and putting the POW/MIA logo on the nose or tail.

But, I cannot seem to find any good pictures of those legacy paint schemes. Does anyone have any links they can send me, or people to contact, where I can find these designs?

Thanks.
 
BrickPilot said:
One of my oft kicked-about paint scheme concepts is that of a WWII bomber escort. Specifically, I am looking for pictures or renditions of the fighters that may have accompanied the B-24 Liberator missions over Ploesti. My father was a bomber pilot on those missions and was shot down and captured as a P.O.W. in the last 7 months of the war. To honor him and his bretheren, I was thinking of painting my plane to match the escorts he may have flown with, and putting the POW/MIA logo on the nose or tail.

But, I cannot seem to find any good pictures of those legacy paint schemes. Does anyone have any links they can send me, or people to contact, where I can find these designs?

Thanks.

Do a search on "Spitfires and Yellow Tail Mustangs" a book about the 52nd Fighter Group. That unit operated in the area. They of course had simple yellow tails. Nothing fancy but it would look cool on an RV. The Tuskegee unit had simple red tails. There was another famous unit operating out of England that had blue tails.

Combat aircraft in those days did not have much paint on them compared to what is seen at OSH these days. The got shot down too regularly. It is almost incomprehensible, but the US lost over 60,000 aircraft in WWII. Maybe the only place the "legacy" paint schemes exist is at OSH.
 
BrickPilot said:
One of my oft kicked-about paint scheme concepts is that of a WWII bomber escort. Specifically, I am looking for pictures or renditions of the fighters that may have accompanied the B-24 Liberator missions over Ploesti. My father was a bomber pilot on those missions and was shot down and captured as a P.O.W. in the last 7 months of the war. To honor him and his bretheren, I was thinking of painting my plane to match the escorts he may have flown with, and putting the POW/MIA logo on the nose or tail.
One of my favorite childhood memories is hearing my father reading stories from Log of the Liberators. It devotes a significant amount of time to the Ploiesti raid. Reading it still makes my hair stand up.

Log of the Liberators is a good source for B-24 paint schemes, but not so much for escort fighters.
 
Rememberance

It is good to hear you are honoring one of those brave men. Every RV is a canvas where we can paint our inner thoughts and feelings. I appreciate so much those who have chosen a patriotic theme, or who honor God and country. I did so with two names on the right side of the slider. I wish you all the best in finding and reproducing your design. From my limited experience, I know you will become a (not so) silent witness to your father's exploits as many will ask you "why."

Bob Kelly, honoring TSGT Myron Kelly and Capt. Bill Burkett
 
And on this same vein - all of you that have XM radio should be listening to channel 4 (40's Channel) right now. Starting last night (West Coast time) they are replaying all the announcements and news wire stories of D-Day (which happened 63 years ago today at 12:36am EST) at the same timing they originally happened - with 40's music of the day in between. Really cool to listen to and think on what my dad must have been doing then...
 
One option...

The 309th FS of the 31st FG were based in Italy and did escort B-24s to Ploesti.

http://www.31stfightergroup.com/31stReference/history/309th.html

The famous early Ploesti raid was unescorted since the P-51s with their long range were not yet in that theater...

They are marked like this....

http://www.31stfightergroup.com/31stReference/history/hlbd2.gif

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Update - the above is from the 308th, but they did also perform Ploesti escort duties

http://www.web-birds.com/15th/31/31st.htm

The 309th were similar markings but a different squadron code...

http://www.web-birds.com/15th/31/31st.htm ....6th picture down....

But a neat name on this Mustang of the 308th...

http://www.web-birds.com/15th/31/31st.htm ...1st picture down....

To find historic marking schemes, try web searching for plastic model decals. These builders have done lots of research, and probably have the best records for colors and markings.

I did a lot of searching for a friend's Thunder Mustang (to fly soon) and most of the best sites came from modellers.

...good luck, and it's a nice way to honor those heroes of WWII...

gil in Tucson

Interestingly, the 309th FS ending up with a personal link, they covered the Anzio landings, which my father participated in...
 
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WW2 Fighter paint

Here's a link to a site in England that shows almost all the Fighter groups even down to specific aircraft photos and unit colors.

My Uncle was in the 339thFG 503rd FS at Fowlmere and there are lots of photos and a book as well as the reunion group of which I am a proud member.

Lots of cool stories and photos on the group site too.

Good luck but you should be able to find something.

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=339
 
I found some more information about my Dad's mission(s). He was part of the 780th Bomb Squadron / 465th Bomb Group, based in Pantanella, Italy. So possibly the paint scheme on the P51 above may be the one. Just today, I found an email address for the 780th Bomb Squadron's newsletter editor, so maybe I can get confirmation if he's still around.

At any rate, I found a biography of the squadron amongst Dad's records. In it was a questionaire that he filled out regarding his service and POW status in the European Theater. I thought that you might find this interesting. There is more information in other excerpts, enough to write a book, but this is enough for today. :)

- Military unit: 780th bomb Squadron (Heavy), 465th Bomb Group
- Body weight at time of capture: 205
- Body weight at time of liberation: 150
- How long were you held prisoner? 199 days
- Were you on a bombing run when shot down? yes
- How did you exit the airplane? Did you parachute? got blown out of plane
- What was your position in the plane, i.e., your specialty: first pilot / commander
- What altitude were you flying when the airplane was hit? 25,000 feet
- What type of airplane were you in? B-24 J (4 engine)
- Was there any smoke or fumes resulting from the hits? yes, both, and fire.
- How close were you to the ground when you pulled the ripcord? 1,500 feet
- Were you airborne, infantry, or armor? N/A, air force pilot
- What were the weather conditions at the time of your capture? Day, clear / scattered clouds
- Was the ground frozen? No, early October [10/11/1944]
- What kind of work were you required to perform while in prison, if any? None. They would not allow us to work (officer). I did cook for 14 people.
- Describe the camp conditions? Spartan, dismal, bare existence.
- Describe your diet. Brown bread, 1 thin slice per day; potatoes sometimes; thin barley broth almost daily (sometimes w/thin thread of some kind of meat); ersatz coffee
- What illness did you have as a prisoner? constant ear aches (from right ear, hearing loss from explosion); left shoulder blade pain (also hurt during explosion)
- Do you have a friend who can verify the conditions and events leading up to your capture and imprisonment? Yes, my bombadeir, Eugene Jurenec (Milwaukee, WI)
- Have you had nightmares about your improsonment and do you still have them? Have had them. Now only when something triggers the memory (news, etc.) Got hit by flak, no chance to save plane, I ordered bail out. [edit: Note, 9 out of 11 of the crew were killed by German farmers. Dad blamed himself until he died, and he had nightmares all the time.]
- Any additional information / description? After being hit, the plane was controllable for 35-50 seconds then fire burned out manual controls. I hit the autopilot. Held 6 seconds. I stopped engines from rotating so crew could bail out past them. I was trapped in the cockpit. As plane nosed down my seat (torn loose) slammed forward against instrument panel. I became unconsious, awoke to hear the sound of a cracking eggshell, then passed out again. When I came to, I had no plane around me, and I was still in the seat. I unfastened the safety belt, I thought about safety briefing at that time - they said if I had control and could, wait as long as possible to open chute so as to make minimum target for least amount of time. I fell from approx 23,000 feet until about 1,500 feet when I pulled the rip cord. Chute opened and immediately I was in the trees. A German fighter plane was circling, trying to spot me.
 
Wow... very interesting read. As a pilot and a history buff - hat's off to the folks who lived through this. Thank you for sharing.

DJ
 
15th Air Force

Jeffery... real interesting story....

Since it narrows down to the 15th Air Force, there are a few more schemes available...

Check the 15th Air Force ones here...

http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1999/12/stuff_eng_profile_mustang2.htm

This is the USAF Archive records for the 11th October 1944....

MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (MTO)

STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Fifteenth Air Force): In Austria, about 180 B-17s and B-24s, with fighter escort, bomb Vienna S ordnance depot, Graz motor works, S and SW areas of Vienna, the towns of Hirtenberg and Enzesfeld, the marshalling yard at Zeltweg, the Dravograd, Yugoslavia railroad bridge on the Yugoslav-Hungarian boundary, and in Italy, railroad and highway bridges at Cesara, and Trieste harbor; 250+ heavy bombers fail to complete missions because of bad weather; 18 P-51s strafe targets in the Bratislava, Czechoslovakia and Budapest, Hungary areas, including supply dumps, and trains and destroy 17 airplanes at Esztergom landing ground, Hungary; 37 other P-51s strafe Prostejov Airfield, Czechoslovakia and targets of opportunity in the surrounding area, destroying nearly 30 aircraft and trucks, locomotives, and railroad cars. HQ 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group moves from San Severo to Bari, Italy.


Your father was one of the heroes....

gil in Tucson

Another personal link... my mother was being bombed in Trieste that day... obviously before she met my father... :) ... (see personal note on previous post)
 
Archives

Gil,

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I must ask. Where can I access these archives? I am just beginning a book on the scrapping of aircraft after the war, perhaps one of the most forgotten aspects of the life of these great monuments to our winning. I have what is probably the only photographic record of their destruction in England. Info is very hard to come by and some people of considerable influence would have you believe that it did not happen, at least to the extent that it did. This might be helpful. BTW, I was asked to do this by the owner of the B-17 used in "Memphis Belle."

Bob Kelly, son of TSGT Myron Kelly who put 3200 of the finest planes ever built to the ax.
 
Found 'em!

az_gila said:
Thanks, Gil. That helped a lot.

This morning, I received a response from the 780th Bomb Squadron's historian. He said that during that period of time, the squadron was defended by the 99th fighter squadron of the 332nd fighter group.... the Tuskegee Airmen themselves! So, were my dad to see one of his defenders, he would have seen...
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Another view:
tuskegee2.jpg

And another:
tuskegee1_sm.jpg


Best thing of all, this is a pretty simple paint scheme... and I can do it myself - saving a goodly amount of $.

Thanks again to all and your support. :D
 
WWII AF History by day...

videobobk said:
Gil,

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I must ask. Where can I access these archives? I am just beginning a book on the scrapping of aircraft after the war, perhaps one of the most forgotten aspects of the life of these great monuments to our winning. I have what is probably the only photographic record of their destruction in England. Info is very hard to come by and some people of considerable influence would have you believe that it did not happen, at least to the extent that it did. This might be helpful. BTW, I was asked to do this by the owner of the B-17 used in "Memphis Belle."

Bob Kelly, son of TSGT Myron Kelly who put 3200 of the finest planes ever built to the ax.
Bob.... this site gives the US Army Air Corps daily history for WWII by different theaters of operation.

http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/wwii/usaf/html/index.html

It's not a govt. reference, but the data has obviously been extracted from a govt. archive....

I think this is an on-line version of the official source, but organized differently....

https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/chron/contents.htm

....hope this helps.... gil in Tucson
 
Thanks

Gil,

Thanks, Helps a lot! Need motivation at this point also as data is hard to find.

Bob
 
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